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- Heather, Gavriil, Ken, John and I have been gathering information on certain exo planets and biological parameters. We are mainly looking at Kepler 62e and 62f (The moon Europa is dangling at the moment lol) these articles will help get you up to date -

Scientific References: Provided by Gavriil

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.7387.pdf

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.5058.pdf

Next we will be organizing this data and trying to discover any left out details to get a better understanding of what type of environment our organism would be originating from.

Once this information has been gathered into one piece, we will start creating the story line of our life form based on it.

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DESIGNING ALIENS:

I would like to put together a group project for willing volunteers. The project will be based on the design and anatomy of space thriving organisms (meaning they live directly in space at 0 gravity) and also life on other exo planets. Each creature will have it's own story of how it got there/it's evolutionary process, why it has adapted the way that it is and at last it's physical components. We will be studying different unearthly habitats and comparing to that which we already know (and a little imagination) to try and figure out what organisms we could come up with.  It will take a lot of research, a lot of imagination and many brain babies.

In the end I will paint each alien/organism on my graphics designing laptop.

Dates will be posted for live video chats, and we can also create a discussion board.

*Current Organisms being worked on, post your ideas below and we can debate to add them to the list:*

We will work on 2 at a time-

PLANETARY ORGANISM:

(When you leave a comment, make sure and talk about which exo planet/moon we should decide on.) I am sure there is some exciting planets with similar yet bizarre resemblances when compared to Earth. We could also do a moon like Europa. Once we decide I will add the Planet below and then we can start creating the creature.  **once again, post your planet/moon of choice when you comment**

SPACE DWELLING ORGANISM:

Feel free to rip this apart, I love brutal criticism. But here I will start adding theories and story of the space dwelling creature.

1. The creatures introduction to space - First things first, I want to start off with an explanation of how the creature would have gotten to space and why. Did it get their naturally? Or was it an intelligent life form that chose to first inhabit space in vehicles and for one reason or another ended up abandoning them after some fashion of adaption to space's brutal climate.

A natural space introduction to the organism

A good natural explanation I heard is that it was a very resilient creature like a tardigrade but it's planet was hit by a large meteorite, releasing chunks of the planet into space. What's left of the planet could've still contained an atmosphere for years to come but slowly it would have dissipated giving the left over surviving life forms from the meteorite impact, enough time to adapt. The resilient tardigrade-like creature could have slowly adapted and evolved through generations, until it's final introduction to space.

That is just one idea, feel free to add more to the space introduction. This is just the beginning of the creature, there are still several dynamics to consider in creating the organism. But first I would like to hear every ones ideas for it's introduction.

An unnatural space introduction to the organism

My guess is that if an intelligent life form was smart enough create spaceships than it wouldn't be longing to somehow evolve to the brutal conditions of space when it could easily use it's technology for making more spaceships to live in. But then again I am sure we could all thing of something - maybe the species could've finally inhabited space to where after many generations it's bodies adapted to the 0 gravity and it also could have come from a very cold planet making it already closely resilient to the temperatures of space. Yet there is still many dynamics left to consider of how & why it adapted to space and abandoned it's ships. There is a lot to think of in this area.

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This is a really interesting idea and one I'd be happy to participate in. There was actually a class at Cabrillo College, in Santa Cruz CA, called Anthropology of the Future which did something like this. This was eventually continued with the Contact Conference. I had a bunch of friends who did the class, but I somehow missed it. However, I'm planning for the conference next year. 

http://www.contact-conference.com/

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Ken

Sounds like fun! Count me in.

Ok cool,

Here's what we'll do. I am gonna leave this up on the forum for a while so it can pick up wind. Every comment that get's added idea whatever, I can edit into the discussion up above instead of everyone having to search through eachothers comments. So I will be the first to start, check above under the project description to see the first organism topic.

P.s.- thanks to Ken for the link and heather for liking this forum

Yay! Dinosaurs were my Gateway Drug into geology a long time ago. So many things have changed since then. I think it would be fun to take this course. Thanks for the idea, Gavriil!

Yo!

Of course man,

All you gotta do is be interested.

And thank you, for that link. Imma sign up for that class.

Yall post some ideas yo! Let's pick out a planet to start researching the climate of & then let's spit some knowledge on what it would take to survive in space....naked.

I like where you are going with this, I do have a 3D program on my computer but it will take some practice before I am handy with it. As far as the X ray, infrared and tomography ideas, these are also great but we should wait until we lay out the story line of the organism we are creating. So first we must pick a planet.

Studying the planet in depth is a wonderful idea. It is known that planets go through massive changes throughout their lifespan, so in order to understand the organism we are creating, we must first know the planets time period that it is evolving in.

And yes again, figuring out an intelligent race is very tricky because intelligence can lead to nearly infinite branches of reason. Almost like a project you are getting a grade on but the teacher tells you there are no rules.

Really though, let's pick a planet! The goal is for the planet to be -

1. An already discovered exoplanet

2. Must be in the habitable zone of it's star

3. This is where it starts getting tricky because obviously we can't completely understand what an exo planet is composed of unless we have flown a robot into it. This is where we will start using our imagination to just fill in the gaps but we will just have to get close as possible.

So the last I have heard is that kepler 62e and 62f is the most recent/most likely to be water containing. I am still very interested in Europa though.

http://phys.org/news/2013-04-astrophysicists-five-planet-earth-like...

Ok. It took me a while to slog through those articles. My journal reading skills are rusty.
So what's the next thing to do? Do you mean to separate the planet's ocean into layers and figure out each layer's chemical processes based on composition, light received, pressure, temperature, etc? What kind of biological metrics can we put together?

Great find Gavriil,

It took me a while to get through these articles but I am going to edit them into the main discussion topic now since they are exactly what we needed. I will sum up other data we collect and add it as we go along as well. As far as organising what data we have collected, this discussion board will do for now but once the designing starts we will need to find other means of organization. I am down for whatever you guys want to do whether it be a breakout room, video chats or if anyone knows anything better.

As for your question, yes we should understand as much as we can about the planets we choose. This is the solid data that we will be using to build our organism off of, so the more the better. I will do my best to make sure we all come to a general conclusion for each biological parameter, if not we can still come up with several different species that live on the same planet :). The gravity tensor is yet another great idea, different species will have thicker bone masses (that is if they do have bone) and as well as the entire anatomy of the animal (means of pumping bodily fluids and blood/body structure/mobility/etc.). Today I am going to add up all of the bio parameters I can think of so we will know what else to look for while we research our planet. Then I will read over the articles you provided with more detail to see so see if what we can already match up.

sounds like a very imaginative project - great idea!

Welcome John,

Feel free to hop in, I updated the the discussion details on the main discussion page so that you will be up to date with what is going on. I will continue doing this through out the project so you know where to hop in.

Ok. I dug into old oceanography notes for this. Earth's ocean is subdivided into three vertical zones based on how much sunlight they get: Euphotic, disphotic, and aphotic. The actual depths vary based on water clarity, turbidity, composition, etc. On average, the euphotic zone reaches to a depth of 200 meters, dysphotic zone 200-1000 meters, and aphotic below that.

The Stellar Flux of Kepler 62f is said to be 0.41+/-0.05 of earth. I got that number from http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.7387

By multiplying .41 against 200 and 1000 meters, I got the following zone depths for Kepler 62f:
0-82m euphotic zone
82-410m dysphotic zone
>410m aphotic zone.

Of course, this is assuming Kepler 062f has a salty ocean with 'average earth ocean' clarity.

What do these numbers mean? Ocean Life is likely to be chemotrophic at a shallower depth on Kepler 62f than on Earth. These depths might be useful when considering the various chemoclines like halocline and a thermocline and life habitats.

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